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Basia
2020-02-10 23:19:11 UTC
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'Our task was to set Americans against their own government': New details emerge about Russia's trolling operation

A person who worked for the Russian "troll farm" Internet Research Agency discussed the organization with the independent Russian news outlet Dozhd.

The secretive factory had several components, including a "Russian desk," a "foreign desk," a "Facebook desk," and a "Department of Provocations," according to the former troll, who went by the name "Maxim."

The Russian desk operated bots and trolls that used fake social-media accounts to flood the internet with pro-Trump messages and made-up news.

The foreign desk was more sophisticated, with trolls required to learn the nuances of American politics to best "rock the boat" on divisive issues.
"Our task was to set Americans against their own government," Maxim said, "to provoke unrest and discontent."

Recently revealed details about how an infamous Russian "troll farm" operated and its role in Russia's disinformation campaign shed new light on Russia's interference in the 2016 US presidential race.

One former troll, who was interviewed by the independent Russian news outlet Dozhd and went by "Maxim," or Max, spoke of his experience working for the Internet Research Agency, a well-researched Russian company in St. Petersburg whose function is to spread pro-Russian propaganda and sow political discord in nations perceived as hostile to Russia.

The secretive firm is bankrolled by Yevgeny Prigozhin, CNN reported, a Russian oligarch who is a close ally of President Vladimir Putin.

Up to a third of the company's staff was tasked with interfering in US political conversation during the 2016 election, according to an investigation conducted by the Russian news agency RBC and detailed by another Russian news outlet, Meduza.

The Internet Research Agency, Max told Dozhd, consisted of a "Russian desk" and a "foreign desk." The Russian desk, which was primarily made up of bots and trolls, used fake social-media accounts to flood the internet with pro-Trump agitprop and made-up news throughout the US presidential campaign, especially in the days leading up to the November election.

The foreign desk had a more sophisticated purpose, according to Max, who worked in that department. "It’s not just writing ‘Obama is a monkey’ and ‘Putin is great.’ They’ll even fine you for that kind of [primitive] stuff," he told Dozhd. In fact, those who worked for the foreign desk were restricted from spreading pro-Russia propaganda. Rather, Max said, their job was more qualitative and was geared toward understanding the "nuances" of American politics to "rock the boat" on divisive issues like gun control and LGBT rights.

"Our goal wasn’t to turn the Americans toward Russia," he added. "Our task was to set Americans against their own government: to provoke unrest and discontent, and to lower Obama’s support ratings."

An entire department, the "Department of Provocations," was dedicated to that goal: Its primary objective was to disseminate fake news and sow discord in the West, according to CNN.

The troll farm also had its own "Facebook desk," whose function was to relentlessly push back against the platform's administrators who deleted fake accounts as they began gaining traction. When Internet Research Agency employees argued against having their accounts deleted, Max said, Facebook staffers would write back, "You are trolls." The trolls would in turn invoke the First Amendment right to free speech — occasionally, they won the arguments.

Facebook is now at the center of congressional and FBI investigations that are examining the extent to which Russia used social-media platforms to influence American political opinion.

Facebook has turned over more than 3,000 Russian-bought ads to Congress. RBC's investigation found that in 2016 Russia's propaganda network on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter could have reached 30 million people a week, and a Columbia University social-media analyst published research that found that Russian propaganda may have been shared billions of times on Facebook alone.

In addition to spreading fake news, Russian Facebook accounts went one step further by organizing events, rallies, and protests, some of which galvanized dozens of people. To be sure, RBC found that the Internet Research Agency hired 100 American activists over the internet to hold 40 rallies across different US cities. Those people did not know they were working for a Russian organization, according to the investigation.


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u2
2020-02-10 23:58:17 UTC
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Post by Basia
The Russian desk operated bots and trolls that used fake social-media accounts to flood the internet with pro-Trump messages and made-up news.
teraz pewnikiem plują sobie w borody:))))))))
Piotr
2020-02-11 00:24:08 UTC
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On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 7:49:12 PM UTC-3:30, Basia wrote:

otwarcie piszacych z Rosji - chyba nie - ale mamy silny kontyngent uzytecznych idiotow Moskwy - kibicujacym rozbijaniu EU i walczacych z probami ograniczenia uzycia fossil fuels - a przeiez bez eksportu ropy i gazu Rosja, i jej imperialne ambicje, bylyby skonczone.
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'Our task was to set Americans against their own government': New details emerge about Russia's trolling operation
oraz polaryzacja spoleczenstwa - naszczuwanie jednych Amerykanow na drugich.
A wiec to samo co w Polsce od lat robi Kaczynski i PiS. Dziel i rzadz.

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Russet Bulba
2020-02-11 01:30:29 UTC
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otwarcie piszacych z Rosji - chyba nie - ale mamy silny kontyngent uzytecznych idiotow Moskwy - kibicujacym rozbijaniu EU i walczacych z probami ograniczenia uzycia fossil fuels - a przeiez bez eksportu ropy i gazu Rosja, i jej imperialne ambicje, bylyby skonczone.
Yeap. Zamknac te rury:


https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Russian-Oil-and-Gas-Pipelines-to-Europe_fig3_242537752
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'Our task was to set Americans against their own government': New details emerge about Russia's trolling operation
oraz polaryzacja spoleczenstwa - naszczuwanie jednych Amerykanow na drugich.
Tu jest znamienny przyklad tego:


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A wiec to samo co w Polsce od lat robi Kaczynski i PiS. Dziel i rzadz.
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Russet Bulba
2020-02-11 01:41:46 UTC
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otwarcie piszacych z Rosji - chyba nie - ale mamy silny kontyngent uzytecznych idiotow Moskwy - kibicujacym rozbijaniu EU i walczacych z probami ograniczenia uzycia fossil fuels - a przeiez bez eksportu ropy i gazu Rosja, i jej imperialne ambicje, bylyby skonczone.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Russian-Oil-and-Gas-Pipelines-to-Europe_fig3_242537752
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'Our task was to set Americans against their own government': New details emerge about Russia's trolling operation
oraz polaryzacja spoleczenstwa - naszczuwanie jednych Amerykanow na drugich.
http://youtu.be/FH2WeWgcSMk
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A wiec to samo co w Polsce od lat robi Kaczynski i PiS. Dziel i rzadz.
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Piotr
A tu kontynuacja:


u2
2020-02-11 06:55:13 UTC
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bez eksportu ropy i gazu Rosja, i jej imperialne ambicje, bylyby skonczone.
mu paczaj, czyli trel morel to użyteczny idiota według jego własnej
definicji:))))))))))
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2020-02-11 11:38:05 UTC
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Post by Piotr
otwarcie piszacych z Rosji - chyba nie - ale mamy silny kontyngent uzytecznych idiotow Moskwy - kibicujacym rozbijaniu EU i walczacych z probami ograniczenia uzycia fossil fuels - a przeiez bez eksportu ropy i gazu Rosja, i jej imperialne ambicje, bylyby skonczone.
Post by Basia
'Our task was to set Americans against their own government': New details emerge about Russia's trolling operation
oraz polaryzacja spoleczenstwa - naszczuwanie jednych Amerykanow na drugich.
A wiec to samo co w Polsce od lat robi Kaczynski i PiS. Dziel i rzadz.
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Piotr
Ta analiza ma juz pare lat, ale jest aktualna. Chodzi o rozhustanie
lodzi, a wiec dawanie paliwa jednej i drugiej stronie. Jak ktos kiedys
pisal, ze trolle sprowokowaly w USA dwie demonstracje - jedna za i druga
przeciw. Cos takiego widzialem kiedys na fejsie - jakis typek jednego
dnia rzucal sluszne hasla (np. emerytury bez podatku, opodatkowac
kosciol), a drugiego chwalil dobra zmiane. Ludzie rzucali sie do
dyskusji, ale do czasu, a gosc milczal, bo byl od prowokowania, a nie
reagowania. Taki np. Korwin moze krytykowac Putina i Rosjan, a z drugiej
strony propagowac zblizenie z nimi.

W Europie akcje trolli i putinowskiej propagandy monitoruje
https://euvsdisinfo.eu/

A pro domo sua: Pisalem juz nie raz, ze sciepa i inne grupy dyskusyjne
to takie nisze dla kilkunastu czytajacych i piszacych, wyszalnie dla
zapoznanych frustratow, naprawiaczy swiata i swirow oraz przegladowka z
prasy, fejsa, twittera, sputnika & co oraz tematow dnia (primo voto
"Poradnik agitatora") dla leniwych. Zero wplywow na rzeczywistosc, zero
nawroconych - niektorzy przypominaja mi biednych jehowitow, ktorzy stoja
na ulicy lub pukaja do drzwi, oferuja swoje pisemka i prawde objawiona,
a ludzie ich omijaja lub poganiaja.

A co do pytania, czy pisze tu ktos z Rosji lub czy sa tu jacys uzyteczni
idioci, to jest to pytanie retoryczne. Przed laty zrobilem pare testow:
cos o Rosji, cos o Putinie, cos z RT, Sputnika, cos o dezinformacji... I
zaraz zglaszali sie "polemisci", "przekierowacze", "zartownisie",
"zawodowi naiwni", "poprawiacze ortografii" itp. Teraz inteligentniejsi
siedza cicho, a ci slabo kapujacy daja sie zlapac i pokazuja "blache".

Thunderbird blokuje mi pisowskich i putinowskich trolli, wiec nie widze
ich, ale gdy jestem gdzies poza domem i otworze tablett, to moge (jesli
chce) zobaczyc te indywidua na google'u.

Btw. Z ta "blacha" to mam dwa skojarzenia: Za dawnych czasow zdarzylo mi
sie byc w Pradze czeskiej. Lazlem ulica i zaczepil mnie jakis jegomosc,
poprosil do bramy i pokazal "blache" - taka kolorowa odznake policyjna.
Druga "blacha" to byl stempel do zeszytu z lektoratu na studiach, a
wystawial go pan Blacha (bodajze Stanislaw) za wysluchanie kolejnej
lekcji jezykowej z tasmy. Do zaliczenia potrzebne byly nie tylko dobre
stopnie, ale kilka "blach". ;-)
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a comparison involving a security service, (fake) refugees, or calling
the opponent an agent of influence, a Volksdeutsch, a Putin's
accomplice, a Jew or an idiot approaches 1" (The new Godwin's Law)
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